On the Romione Controversy


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I totally agree with Jo that Ron would not have made Hermione happy long term. Ron is the type to be content and have fun. Hermione needs to keep moving forward and achieving to feel fulfilled. The marriage would have turned into Ron being more of a child and Hermione turning into his mother. Ron wouldn't have challenged her enough-- she'd just end up frustrated. I think that they would have dated for a good 2-5 years but when things came down to it, they'd split up because they just want different things. That said I don't think Hermione would have ended up with Harry either (which, by the way, was Emma Watson's assertion, not Jo's!). He also would not have made her happy (except maybe in the film version, but certainly not the way it was in the books).

Personally, I think Hermione would have ended up Draco. They'd have had their paths cross again in their late-twenties to thirties as both would have presumably worked their way up through the ranks at the Ministry and matured. Draco would be working to reconcile the way he was brought up with all that happened during the war. (Side note: can we talk about the awesome parallel that Lord Voldemort was defeated because of two mothers' love for their sons?) Hermione has always been the voice of reason and very good at knowing when to be nurturing and when to tell someone to get off their arse and stop moping so she'd work well with Draco there. Meanwhile Draco would provide Hermione with the necessary challenge in terms of him not taking her intelligence as the be-all-end-all of every argument (because Slytherins) and he'd rather spar with her in debate than either give up or sputter idiotically. They'd be a much better match provided they had matured and whatnot. Plus it would have been a great resolution to their relationship (from calling her a mudblood to ending up her husband, yes) and in many ways it would have been a fixed version/reincarnation of the Lily/Snape storyline. Look at all the parallels!

Who does that leave the rest of the golden trio with, then?

Ron would have either met someone completely new-- I know this isn't how the books are structured, but their lives do go on and they do meet new people after 17-- or he would have ended up with a side character. Part of me kind of thinks he'd end up with Lavender (LavLav) Brown eventually, after much ado. The presumption being, once again, that they'd have grown since the war ended and Ron would have developed a better sense of himself so as to not totally get sucked into being in a relationship, and Lavender would have gotten a better hold of her priorities and tamed her insecurities. I think it'd be hilarious. Can you imagine at the wedding, Harry and Hermione giving toasts at the reception and giving them a hard time for being such a ridiculous couple in school? The best.

Does Harry stay with Ginny in my mind? No. Nothing against Ginny, but her relationship with Harry kind of felt like an afterthought. Jo created some amazing romantic arcs in the story like Lupin and Tonks, and yet our main hero kind of got the girl who was an easy answer-- sure they liked each other, but Ginny with Harry seemed more to be an act of convenience. In my mind, Harry ends up with Luna. Luna is probably one of the few people in the world who would make all the "Boy Who Lived"/"Chosen One" nonsense really feel like it never mattered or didn't define him, partially because she just operates on a very different plane than most others, and I think that's the kind of person Harry needs--not someone who was infatuated with him from the start and whom he saved in a very personal way (Chamber of Secrets) rather than a "yeah this is a war, I'm protecting my people" sort of a way. Harry, in turn, has grown to really understand and respect her throughout the books, and also really trust her, and I think very few people were willing to do that for Luna. I think Harry would be happiest with her in the end. Neville canonically doesn't end up with Luna, no matter what the movies might have you believe-- though I do think they have a deep friendship. Harry and Luna would be two outliers being outliers together. Also, can we talk about how absolutely badass their How We Met story would be? Their first moment of connection was the realization that they were the only ones who could see the Thestrals, because they had both intimately experienced the death of a loved one. Boom.

Nonetheless, the source text is what it is, and you can ship how you want to ship. Jo really pushed the Ron/Hermione thing in the books, but I don't know that they'd actually have worked out long term. Who did you think would go together?

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  1. You make some very interesting points. And it's definitely a different take on the whole situation. But I think I do really like Harry and Hermione together. :)

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    1. I don't think I see the chemistry there. I think in the movieverse it was definitely played up, but I don't know that their personalities would have melded well long term either. To me (and I do mean, to me, not to tell you how to feel about this) I think Harry with Hermione would have felt like just handing over the most critical female character to the main hero. Narratively I think the Hermione/Draco redemption of the Lily/Snape storyline would have been perfect.

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  2. I always loved Hermione/Harry to be honest. From the very beginning. But if I was going to go way out there [and maybe partially because I've read so much fanfic], I think that Harry/Draco would've been a good match as well. :) For a multitude of reasons.

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    1. I think it could have worked out, but I don't know that either of the characters are gay. They could be. Or they could otherwise identify as being interested in each other. I honestly think though that Harry and Draco are too much two sides of the same coin for it to work out long term, but that's just my take on it.

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  3. Reading your view of Ron and Hermoine makes me see some parallels in my own past relationship.He simply wasn't as motivated, passionate, creative or as smart as I am and although he was a very good person and a sweet guy, I just wasn't fulfilled. So I think you're right about R&H. I love your critical analysis of all the characters and their relationships. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This is why I love book clubs!

    xo Megan, Lush to Blush

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    1. I had a very similar relationship as well. Loving someone doesn't make them right for you. We were both good people who just weren't right for each other. And I think that's Ron and Hermione too. I really love breaking books down (as well as movies and TV) so this presented a really exciting opportunity. I think I'll do these more :) Thanks for reading, Megan!

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  4. I COMPLETELY agree about Hermione and Draco - I've thought that since the 7th book came out! Ron & Lavender was another couple I saw together. I didn't see Harry & Luna, but how you shared your perspective changes my mind - I always saw Harry & Ginny because of it solidifying his role in the Weasley family.

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    1. I get that benefit of Harry becoming part of the family, but I don't think Ginny ending up with Harry was necessary for that. Molly already refers to him as part of the family. Nothing against Ginny, but I think she wouldn't get to be truly her own person if she ended up with the boy who saved her life and everyone else's another time over. I'm glad you see the merit of Harry and Luna (which is admittedly a pairing a bit off the beaten track). Personally, I'd love to have seen Ginny completely outgrow Harry and be like, "I was so into you all of school, but I realized, you're not right for me and I'm not that girl anymore."

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  5. Wow. Love your explanation of Hermione/Draco. At first I was like wow, sounds like every fan fiction out there--but the part about it being like a happy ending parallel of the Lily/Snape story really struck me as poetically beautiful.
    Personally, I never saw Hermione/Harry in the books. They never really seem to look at each other as more than friends. Moreover, their relationship seems like it would be too similar to Lily/James and would just feel like history repeating itself.
    Honestly, I was never a huge fan of Ron. I do feel like Hermione has a tendency to mother both Harry and Ron, and I can see how that would be very frustrating in a romantic relationship. However, I do feel that Ron and Hermione could have an effect of balancing each other out. Ron would mature a lot as he grew older and grew closer to Hermione. And Hermione might loosen up more as a result of being with Ron. Overall, I think their relationship could work out. They would definitely have their rocky moments and would probably be the type of couple that bicker at each other frequently, but I think as they matured and became less insecure, this would take on the character of good-natured bickering rather than full-out fighting. Then again, I could also see these two as ending up with someone completely different, perhaps not from their years at Hogwarts. I don't really see Ron getting back together with Lavender. I don't think there was much to their relationship besides raging teenage hormones...
    I completely disagree with you about Harry and Ginny. Their relationship didn't really feel like an afterthought to me. If Ginny had stayed the same silly girl with a crush that she was in books 1 and 2, I might agree with you. But her time exploring other options and in general growing into herself helped her to lose the girl-ish fascination with Harry. By the later books, she has really matured--in my opinion more than most of the other characters. What really struck me about Ginny was her ability to accept Harry's role as The Chosen One and to not let their relationship interfere with that. Ginny truly knows Harry on a deeper level than most girls who hadn't shared their experiences would be able to. She is one of the few people to have also been possessed by Voldemort in some fashion, so she understands what he's been through. But most importantly, Ginny is strong and independent. She is perfectly capable of keeping up with Harry whether its in quidditch or dueling Death Eaters. But she also doesnt need to be beside him every second of the day.
    While I love Luna, and I think she and Harry would remain good friends after graduation, Luna strikes me as still living in a fantasy world. I can see her after graduation holing up in a beautiful little college and not interacting too much with the mainstream society. She would probably have difficulty working in conjunction with institutionalized authorities like the government, which Harry works for after graduation.

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    1. I was never a huge fan of Ron either. Most of me thinks he'd just meet someone new. Part of me wants him to hilariously end up back with Lavender after HIMYM-style long-ass searching.
      I think Ginny is a REALLY GOOD character, but I just don't really see her with Harry. For me, narratively, the fact that he saved her in such a personal way (rather than that "I saved everyone") way sort of makes me think that that was too key in the development of their relationship and would have too great a role in establishing their dynamic. I like that Ginny grew into her own, but I personally feel like she owes too much to Harry, and that makes me very uncomfortable with their relationship.

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  6. I couldn't agree with you more on this! Ginny x Harry felt VERY MUCH like an afterthought. I always thought that he'd end up with Cho Chang up until their horrible first date. I think Harry showed Hermione he cared about her much more than Ron ever did. I never really had too big a problem with the Hermione x Ron pairing though. It's just that I never imagined Harry with Ginny. Always Cho or Luna or something. I think he would've been a great match with Luna. She was like that kind, supportive figure that was always there just waiting in the backgrounds for whenever he needed her. And I totally agree that Hermione and Draco seemed like they were going to end up together. If only he hadn't gotten caught up in all the evil stuff.

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    1. Harry and Cho are hilarious because it's SO REAL. Like pining after someone from a distance for years and then realizing you idealized them and they're kind of a mess, but it's not a problem you can fix and it just falls apart.
      I think Draco and Hermione work even more because he got caught up in the dark magic, but his family was always struggling with it-- because they were so close to it by the end that they became so conflicted. He's the product of both his father, one of Voldemort's right hand men, and his mother, who lead to the defeat of the Death Eaters because she stood up against the greatest dark wizard in history, all out of love to save her son. THAT IS BAD ASS. I totally believe they end up together after maturing more!

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  7. Love it! You made lots of interesting points, and they're all really well thought out. I totally agree that Ron and Hermione wouldn't have been great together. It always kind of bothered me, and felt like a bit of an afterthought, sort of the same with Ginny and Harry, but I like that one a little more. I've also never really been a HUGE Harmony (Harry/Hermione) shipper, (except when I was 6 years old and first started reading the books because I fancied myself a little Hermione and I was completely in love with Harry - I moved on, though, but that's a different story). Anyways, great post!

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    1. I related super heavily to Luna growing up so I feel you. Except I don't want Harry with her for that reason (if we were talking wish fulfillment she would have ended up with Fred ;_;)
      I wish Ginny straight out got Harry and then realized she totally outgrew him. That's what I wanted. I think that would have been a better relationship.

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  8. I definitely don't think Ron and Hermione would have been happy together. I love Ron, but he definitely couldn't have made Hermione happy. He was a childish, and I doubt he would've grown after that. I mean, he was the baby boy of the family, and Hermione would have just ended up taking care of Ron for the rest of her life. That being said, I don't think she would've ended up with Draco either. I just don't see that working. I think that's mostly just because Draco leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and someone as intelligent as Hermione ending up with someone as selfish as Draco makes my stomach churn. Honestly, I don't think anyone that Jo wrote in the series would be good enough for Hermione. I could only picture her either being an independent feminist (and eventually ruling the world somehow) or ending up with someone that Jo didn't write about.

    As far as Harry and Hermione goes, I don't think they were an afterthought, but I don't think they would have worked together. I think their relationship is kind of like me having a crush on Zac Efron and ending up with Zac Efron. It just doesn't work, because I was a fan first. Ginny always say Harry as this celebrity of sorts, and I just don't think it would've worked. Yes, they both have the awkwardness thing happening, but I think that Harry is too good for Ginny. Nothing against her, but I think she's a bit too unextraordinary to have won the heart of Harry. I'm not sure who I think Harry should have ended up with, but I definitely think it should have been someone more exciting than Ginny.

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    1. I don't think Draco is selfish. He was an asshole because his father rewarded it and his mother stood idly by like a "good wife." Draco is actually not that bad a guy he was just a kid who grew up in a shitty home and was dominated by a ridiculous power and fear dynamic between himself and his father. He absolutely adored his mother and she loved him.Her love for him saved Harry and saved the wizarding world, and I believe that after the war, Draco would have done a lot of soul searching. His father defeated and powerless, his mother finally having stood up against not just his father, but to the greatest evil on the earth at that time, and coming out a hero-- I think that would have had a very transformative affect on Draco who had been living life in fear for the past few years. I think Hermione totally would have respected that in him. Draco is not terribly smart, but he is pretty resourceful and he is willing to play the game which I think would go well with Hermione's stand-out intelligence.

      also, LMAO I've only known you for like, months and the amount of times I have heard you mention ZEfron is astounding!

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    2. That is so true. I've never been a fan of Draco, but I think he would've definitely done some soul searching after all of the madness. I wouldn't see Draco and Hermione together right afterward, but maybe a few years later after they both grew up and did their own thing for a little while, assuming they crossed paths.

      Yea, I'm a little obsessed with Zac Efron. It's a problem.

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  9. OHMYGOSH where have you been all my life? (Or, all the times I've tried to explain my belief in Harry and Luna to my friends). I'm still not 100% sold on Draco, mainly because I wish we'd been given a more dynamic view of his character (or any slytherin student. Seriously, we get all the other houses!). I think if Queen Jo developed his character more, he could have been the perfect match for Hermione. If you think about it, he had the same pigtail pulling that Ron did in the beginning! We just never saw it evolve past that (sadly).


    Yeah, I ended up here nearly a month after the fact because your recent post about the wonderful Simon Baker (oh, there were other people there too? my bad :D) had a Harry Potter reference and I couldn't resist clicking through! I'm so very glad I did!

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  10. THERE ARE MORE HARRYxLUNA SHIPPERRRSSSS!!!!


    I'm like 100% on Draco and Hermione but you're right, Jo really didn't characterize Draco very strongly. He was kind of a little dick put in a really shitty set of circumstances, but I think most of his development would have followed the end of Voldemort anyway, and the books simply weren't designed to follow our heroes after that.

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  11. THEY ARE PERFECTION AND MY HEART IS HAPPY YOU AGREE
    Very true about his development, he wouldn't have been able to be a good guy with Voldemort living in his house (especially considering his wonderful relationship with his mom- if you have people to lose and they are under his thumb, you probably should NOT go against the megalomaniac. Proves he's smart!). I can see where you're coming from with the Draco and Hermione. Who knows, might even end up agreeing :)

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